1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,240 I didn't get back to you, Senator. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:05,240 No problem. 3 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:09,640 I thought we'd give you a call and get a review of what just happened since I talked to you 4 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:10,640 last. 5 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:11,640 Well, nothing much has happened. 6 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:13,640 There's still a lot of Travis in the hospital. 7 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:14,640 I say he's dehydrated. 8 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:15,640 Pretty bad. 9 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:19,320 He's still drinking a lot of water and liquids. 10 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,320 He goes underneath his first test tomorrow. 11 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,320 Now there's some conflict as well as what it's going to be, whether it's going to be 12 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:25,320 a polygraph test or a self-admitting. 13 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:26,320 I mean that progressive hypnosis. 14 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:33,320 The five boys are going through that progressive hypnosis right now. 15 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:34,320 The witnesses? 16 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:35,320 Yeah. 17 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:36,320 I see. 18 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:39,320 They're in some place they didn't say for sure where it was at. 19 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:41,320 Who's handling this, do you know? 20 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:46,120 Well, Spaulding was handling it and they had some big conflict about it because he didn't 21 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:49,560 believe that Travis could have been away five days. 22 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:56,560 And now he says over the news that he definitely feels that they have patched up the incident 23 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:01,560 that there was through some of the tests that have been run on him. 24 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,560 I guess it hasn't been anything but medical tests. 25 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,560 It evidently they believe him now and they've patched up differences and they're back together 26 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:09,560 again. 27 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,560 Okay, well who's going to handle this hypnosis? 28 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,560 I don't know whether it's going to... 29 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:15,560 Heine... 30 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:16,560 What's he? 31 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:17,560 Heineberg? 32 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:18,560 Heineberg? 33 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:19,560 Heineberg? 34 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:20,560 Heineberg? 35 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:21,560 Heineberg? 36 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,560 Well there's a doctor Harder associated with Heineberg. 37 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:25,560 Heineberg. 38 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,560 Heineberg. 39 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:27,560 Okay. 40 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,560 He's going to do the testing of him. 41 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:31,560 I see. 42 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:32,560 Okay. 43 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:37,560 And they had a new sighting up here so far. 44 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,560 They're trying to keep it covered according to what we've heard. 45 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:45,560 Now this is just what has been passed around. 46 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,560 They had something on the news about it but then they shut it up afterwards. 47 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,560 They said that three deer hunters were out deer hunting out here by St. John's which 48 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,560 is about 40 or 50 miles away from here. 49 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:04,560 The three deer hunters were walking or driving and this outfit, the flying object was on the 50 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:10,560 ground and they drove up close to it and the guy that was driving evidently jumped out and 51 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:11,560 grabbed his gun. 52 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,560 The other two turned around and ran as hard as they could go. 53 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:16,560 They took a shot at it and then he disappeared. 54 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,560 The beam hit him and hit the car boat and burned out all his wiring and everything. 55 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:22,560 They said the FBI stepped in on this one. 56 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,560 I don't know if it's true or not. 57 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,560 But the FBI stepped in and broke it off and they said they got radiation readings and 58 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:29,560 everything off them. 59 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:30,560 Well it'd be dirt. 60 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,560 Now whether there's any truth to it or not I don't know. 61 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:34,560 Uh huh. 62 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:35,560 They're trying to keep it quiet up here. 63 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,560 Everybody in the country knows about it but. 64 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:41,560 Well now have you had a chance to talk to Travis? 65 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:42,560 No, nobody has. 66 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:43,560 They're keeping him pretty well. 67 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,560 They're keeping the whole family out? 68 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,560 Yeah. 69 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:47,560 Yeah. 70 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:53,560 Mom had a chance to talk to him and she said that he was just dehydrated and I said can 71 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,560 you say any more and she said no not right now. 72 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,560 Well are the police or any government officials involved in this at all? 73 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,560 I haven't heard of any of them being involved in it. 74 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:07,560 The police up here said that if it's a hoax they're going to go ahead and put all kinds 75 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,560 of charges against it. 76 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:14,560 And that's the only thing that's involved in it right now. 77 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:15,560 I see. 78 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:18,560 And is he in the Phoenix Hospital? 79 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,560 I'm not going to dig up any secrets. 80 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:28,560 They told us to find out where he's in Phoenix. 81 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:29,560 I see. 82 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,560 On their assume name and so forth. 83 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,560 Yeah well you know there's an awful lot of rumors flying around. 84 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,560 We had a rumor up on the news here last night to the effect that the whole thing was branded 85 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,560 as a hoax and we just couldn't believe that. 86 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,560 Yeah Peter Herkos you know that what does he? 87 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:47,560 Oh the psychic? 88 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,560 The psychic guy that says that if he could get a hold of his clothes he could definitely 89 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:54,560 prove where there was or not. 90 00:03:54,560 --> 00:04:00,560 And there's been a whole bunch of people that's stepping in on this now. 91 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,560 I don't know how far they're getting involved in it. 92 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:11,560 From what I talked to Dr. Lester Stewart yesterday he said that they're going to run the test 93 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:14,560 today but I guess they stepped them off until tomorrow. 94 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:15,560 I see. 95 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,560 But they're running medical tests on Travis right now. 96 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,560 I see. 97 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,560 Are you in contact constantly with people now there? 98 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:24,560 Yes. 99 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:25,560 I see okay. 100 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:33,560 Yeah I will know a whole bunch more about tomorrow after the moment that she let me know immediately. 101 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,560 Are they going to have any kind of a press conference on this? 102 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,560 Yes these are going to be tomorrow or Saturday with Travis. 103 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:44,560 And this will include the results of the... 104 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:47,560 Yeah this will be telling what they found from the results. 105 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,560 I said that might be two days or three days but they said that they would definitely give 106 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,560 the most of the results when he gives his top. 107 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,560 And they're going to run him through this polygraph too? 108 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:58,560 Right. 109 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:04,560 They're going to have ESA and progressive hypnosis and they said possibly sodium penifal. 110 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,560 Well they're going to give him the work soon aren't they? 111 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:07,560 Yeah. 112 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,560 Well how is he feeling as he pulled out of this thing pretty good? 113 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:17,560 Yeah as far as eating wise he's normal but they said that he's just really dehydrated 114 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:18,560 to no end. 115 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,560 He's just drinking liquids constantly. 116 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:26,560 He complained of him painting his chest and then after a bit he quit complaining about 117 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,560 it but he was alright. 118 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,560 Did he ever come up with any more information about being in the craft as so? 119 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,560 Ron he said that they give the description tonight. 120 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:41,560 He said that he saw that people was just like us except that they didn't have any hair 121 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,560 on their head. 122 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,560 He said that he was on a table and they left him and he got up off the table and started 123 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:52,560 wandering around and wandered into another room and that guy with some kind of helmet 124 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:57,560 on stopped him and he was looking out through this room. 125 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,560 There was a Michael window that you could see through and they stopped him and they took 126 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:07,560 him into another room and there were three crafts in that three flying crafts there and 127 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,560 the storage there and that's all they would let him say. 128 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:17,560 I say does he recollect completely being brought back the other night? 129 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,560 No he don't. 130 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:24,560 Evidently when they, the last thing he can or unless he's a thing that he remembers is 131 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:30,560 open his eyes on the highway when they lay him out and they look up and see the craft leave. 132 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,560 Does he remember what this thing looked like? 133 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:35,560 The craft? 134 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:36,560 Yes. 135 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:37,560 On the outside? 136 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:38,560 Uh huh. 137 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:45,560 Well now as his brother are you going to have access to any of these tapes of these various tests? 138 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,560 Well Dwayne will have most of them. 139 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:54,560 Because just as scientific data we'd really like to get a hold of that stuff if we can. 140 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:55,560 Alright. 141 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,560 I don't know if there's a lot of people I suppose that we want those right books and so forth. 142 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:00,560 Right. 143 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,560 But they don't want to capitalize on it at all right now. 144 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,560 He said that they just wanted to get this thing cleared up for all. 145 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,560 What they'll do later I don't know. 146 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:12,560 I haven't, like I said I haven't talked to Travis recently or anything like this. 147 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,560 You know I don't know what they're going to do. 148 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,560 Uh huh. 149 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,560 They're just keeping him under wraps pretty close. 150 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:25,560 I guess mom's the only one that has seen him because I just got to talk to her just before 151 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:30,560 I called you to find out if there's anything involved since I last heard. 152 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:31,560 Uh huh. 153 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:36,560 Now did they say that this aerial phenomena research organization in Tucson was pretty 154 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:38,560 well handling this? 155 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,560 That's in Phoenix. 156 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:41,560 That's Spalding is. 157 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,560 Oh I know Spalding is yes. 158 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,560 But I know this Heineck is uh. 159 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:51,560 I guess the call Heineck in there run this, run these tests. 160 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,560 Oh yes. 161 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,560 Okay well I won't keep you any longer. 162 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,560 Do you expect to hear more tomorrow? 163 00:07:58,560 --> 00:07:59,560 Yes I do. 164 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,560 Mom said she'd call me as soon as they heard any information. 165 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,560 Okay would there be any chance of getting a call from you? 166 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:06,560 I promise I will. 167 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:07,560 Okay. 168 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:08,560 Alright. 169 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:09,560 Thank you very very much. 170 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:10,560 You bet. 171 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:11,560 Okay.